(by JayMen)
KLANG VALLEY 18 FEBRUARY 2012: Once in a while, a hunt comes along that poses questions which can be a great teaching moment. Such a one was Shandra Dass’s Rotary Club of Klang Treasure Hunt 2012 on Feb 18th.
KLANG VALLEY 18 FEBRUARY 2012: Once in a while, a hunt comes along that poses questions which can be a great teaching moment. Such a one was Shandra Dass’s Rotary Club of Klang Treasure Hunt 2012 on Feb 18th.
There were 11 difficult and unfamiliar questions that can now serve as a case study for how difficult questions need to be handled. Although “difficulty” consists of about half a dozen aspects, 2 will be sufficient to grade these Qs. These are Economy and Accuracy. Economy here is defined as absence of unnecessary information. Accuracy here is defined as freedom from error.
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Let’s look at the questions in hand with these criteria in mind.
Q2 Football Club that celebrated a successful quarter century for their manager! Club aside a bouquet will be presented by centreback.
Ans : Pusat Aksesori Kereta MU
The first sentence is descriptive of MU. The second sentence tells you to put it aside- remove it. Then we have Pusat Aksesori Kereta. Looking at its centre and in reverse, we can spot “roses” which fits in with “bouquet”.
Q has both Economy (no unnecessary info) and Accuracy ( “roses” is dead centre of the phrase )
Q has both Economy (no unnecessary info) and Accuracy ( “roses” is dead centre of the phrase )
Q7 Degrees by maker for a song and its accompaniment?
Ans : Emirates
Degrees = rates
EMI is a music company
“a song and its accompaniment” = song + music
Song + Music maker = EMI
Q has Economy and some Accuracy
Q11 To applaud all over US?
Ans : ROSAK
Applaud = sorak “all over” is anagram indicator and so SORAK is transformed to ROSAK which also means unserviceable as defined by its acronym – US.
An outstanding question which has both Economy and Accuracy!
Q13 D. Drogba justified his move to participate in the TRC based on these 2 factors.
Ans : Baju Kurung
“kurung” is “contain” and hence you can spot “baju” contained in “Drogba justified”.
The idea is very good but the execution fails. Fodder must be economical. The sentence is too long and hence not conducive to spotting containers. The second part of the sentence “to participate in the TRC” is unnecessary.
Q does not have Economy but Accuracy is present.
Q19 Mamma Mia! One in here to find it in its likely place.
Ans : Zolano
“One” refers to either “Mamma” or “Mia”. Then it has to be put in the answer to get “animal” in “zoo” which satisfies “it in its likely place” . ZO ANIMAL O.
There has to be an anagram indicator to satisfy the criteria of Accuracy. “find” is not an indicator of any sort by itself. However, “find in” can be an anagram indicator, a hidden indicator or an insertion indicator. However, the actual phrase used is “find it in” which is not quite accurate as an anagram indicator.
A clever use of the “either” concept but marred slightly by inaccuracy.
Q has Economy but just short of Accuracy.
Q21 Way of getting in for European pleaser?…not in English style for sure!
Ans : Pinjaman
Way of getting in = PIN ( Pin Identification Number)
Pleaser = yes man. This in a European language , specifically German, becomes Ja Man.
Q has Economy (the phrase after the ellipsis is hinting that the answer could be in Bahasa) and Accuracy.
Q24 Metropolis that can be found under our pass ahead in here will expose likes of 6!
Ans : CRP
Metropolis that can be found under our pass refers to the word “city” under GENTING (city of entertainment) . Genting is a pass locally. “ahead” indicates that the answer is earlier than the “genting” sign. So when city gets anagrammed (“expose” being the indicator ) with the actual answer we will get the likes of 6 (Q6) which is a Cryptic Question. So, doing the math, we take out c,i,t,y from cryptic and get the remaining letters c,r,p.
The linking of 2 signboards must be handled delicately. ”ahead” in fact does that. ”likes of 6” is debatable. Why is 6 chosen? It might be that the first 5 Qs are not cryptic. But Q2 has cryptic elements- “centreback” . Q6 specifically uses a homonym indicator. (Sounds like a hot vegetable key maker?)
Q has Economy and some Accuracy
Q26 A version of our biennial international maritime and aerospace exhibition found in some locals revealed.
Ans : 2nd Floor
LIMA is our exhibition. The acronym is justified by “A” implying initials rather than the long form. “found in” is the hidden indicator and implies that LIMA or equivalent is lodged in the actual answer. LIMA can also be viewed in NATO phonetic alphabet as L. 2nd letter of “floor” is L.
What is the reason for “some locals revealed”? Apparently, Halimah is an example of a local name and “lima” is revealed in it.
Q does not have Economy ( no need for “some locals revealed” ) but has Accuracy
Q29 Flier emerging by duo’s fair portions entering.
Ans : Bubu
Duo’s fair portions = fifty fifty = L L
“emerging” is anagram indicator and when LL is mixed with bubu we have BULBUL – a bird.
Q has Economy and Accuracy
Q34 One bread poses two times the danger! With time you’ll also see the answer!
Ans : ANN
Out of the many “roti” signs on one signboard , we need to choose roti canai as the correct one since it fits the “two times the danger” which means “double jeopardy”.
Once chosen we must apply the knowledge that ROTI which is Bread has to be anagrammed ( “canai” ). Somewhere further up is the sign ANN which is an anagram of NAN which is the “roti” to be “canai’d”.
There is no indicator to show that 2 signboards are to be considered here as in Q24.
Also, the second sentence is meant to give constraint for the answer since time = ANNO DOMINI and ANN is in it.”In time” would be more accurate than “with time”.
Q has Economy but no Accuracy ( missing connection between signboards).
Q35 Bouquet arranged in parts of Ukraine.
Ans : GENFE
Answer is arranged with parts of UKRAINE to give a bouquet. GENFE + UKRE = FENUGREEK which is a herb/spice but not a bouquet.
Q has Economy but no Accuracy
In summary : 6/11 satisfy both Economy and Accuracy( includes some Accuracy )
3/11 satisfy Economy but not Accuracy.2/11 satisfy Accuracy but not Economy.
The analysis above is a reminder of the necessity of having both Economy and Accuracy for the construction of Questions- both hard and easy. In this hunt , an unfamiliarity with Shandra’s style was the main contributor in not being able to crack the 11 questions.
He has introduced his unique way with words in this hunt and I welcome it as another wonderful addition to the many distinct styles that now populate the Treasure Hunting landscape in Malaysia.
FULL RESULT
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Photos and questions courtesy of hunter Ruben Enbasegaram and Jayaram Menon respectively!
5 comments:
Thanks Jay. I saw these questions and the option answers earlier but no idea at all how to solve it! Now with your explanation, can't say I understand them all but cukup to tembak the right answers lah! Maybe I should read them again in the morning after my head stop spinning!
Thank Jay
A friend sent me these same Qs for my analysis and comments, but I was busy with stuff. I said I would try to look at them later. But this excellent analysis of yours, Jay, has rendered my comments superfluous!
May I venture, however, that I don't quite like the solutions for both Q24 and Q34, even if you have arrived at "Economy and some Accuracy" for the former.
I have in my arsenal a couple of riddles involving 2 signboards too, which I haven't been able to use up to now, although of course my idea in the setting is somewhat different. In the case of Q24 and Q34 (especially Q34), I think the question is a bit ambiguous. Which, in your opinion, is the clue to be solved?
One bread poses two times the danger!
That, to me, looks a lot like a clue to solve. Is that a clue?
With time you'll also see the answer!
That, too, looks like a clue to solve. Is that a clue?
So which is the required answer, ROTI CANAI, ANN or both?
The intended answer is ANN, Cornelius.
That's why without the relative positioning indicator which should tell us that the answer is at another place, we are left treating the 2 sentences as clues to be solved!
Jay
I see it slightly differently, Jay.
This is a unique clue of 2-in-1 type, which perhaps is an invention of some kind. I'm fine with that; I welcome new ideas in clueing.
But I see this as TWO clues in ONE, so logically speaking, the the should TWO answers.
The first clue requires the hunter to arrive at ROTI CANAI. So that solution found, it must constitute half of the intended answer.
Then the second clue requires the hunter to arrive at ANN, which in this case is derived from ROTI CANAI.
In the context of the clue, when seen in its entirety, both ROTI CANAI and ANN should be required to answer the 2-in-1 clue in full?
In absence of the relative positioning indicator, your interpretation is valid.
Jay
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